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In September 1940, then-LCDR Joseph H. Wellings, USN, was serving in a staff position in Washington, D.C. under RADM Leary and CAPT Willis A. Lee (later of Guadalcanal fame in command of WASHINGTON and SOUTH DAKOTA when they sank the KIRISHIMA). Wellings was about to take command of a Pacific Fleet DD when he was recalled and sent to England, ostensibly to serve with the Naval Attache in London. In fact, he was deputed to share technical information with the RN and upon arrival was posted to Scapa Flow. He served in a variety of ships from DDs to BBs, including the HOOD. He was finally returning home in May 1941 aboard the BB RODNEY when the BISMARCK breakout occurred, and thus he was a witness to the kill of the German battleship. In 1983 the Naval War College published On His Majecty's Service, an account of Wellings' experiences based on his official and personal diaries, and on his letters home to his wife. All of it is very interesting reading. It is his account of the BISMARCK sinking however, that proved of greatest interest to me. Remember that during the first strike from ARK ROYAL the Swordfish crews mistakenly attacked SHEFFIELD. Remember too, that BISMARCK expected to be within range of Luftwaffe support the next day, and that the Luftwaffe was known to be not too good on ship identification. Thus, both sides had concerns about accurate aerial identification. On page 231 of his book, Wellings records 'Naval Messages received in HMS RODNEY, 0900-2400 27 May 1941'. And here lies the answer to the debate, for at 0920 GMT that date, the Admiralty transmitted the following message to Commander in Chief, Home Fleet: "Roof of BISMARCK turrets and gun shields painted bright yellow." That message could have been based on eyewitness information, either from Swordfish pilots who had hit her, or from the Catalina crew that had found her. It also could have been based on Ultra intercepts of Luftwaffe signals, which the British were reading almost as soon as the intended recipient. The Admiralty, knowing that the area would be full of ships, obviously wanted no recurrence of the SHEFFIELD incident.

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In regard to the yellow turret tops, there is evidence that the BISMARCK had dark gray turret tops when he left Bergen, Norway, but the Baltic stripes pattern had been over-painted except for the false bow/stern waves. When he reached the North Atlantic, the turret tops were painted yellow in accordance with the designated air recognition scheme for North Atlantic operations. Several survivors from BISMARCK noted that the yellow paint was difficult to apply and kept washing off in the high seas. It should be noted that swastika flag painted on the foredeck and quarterdeck were both over-painted with gray paint at the same time. Photographs of these deck areas taken by Robert Ballard's expeditions show that most of this pant had worn off. This would also help to explain why there was little evidence of yellow paint after 70+ years under the sea.


Good hunting.

 

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Uma terceira, do Graham.

 

 

Main and secondary turrets were painted water soluble yellow (match RLM 03) with brushes and brooms the night after the Denmark Straight engagement ONLY as a IFF for the Luftwaffe when Bismarck decided to retire to the Biscay ports in distress and German airspace after damage. Otherwise they would not have been painted. Heavy seas immeadiately washed the paint off the lowest surfaces as it was applied but it dried sufficiently on the upper surfaces to be effective. A good quality B&W photo of Bismarck taken from Prinz Eugen the following morning, using the standard Agfa film of the day shows quite clearly the yellow turret tops (including secondary). They are the exact same shade/hue/colour of the RLM 03 fuselage bands/rudders/wingtips/cowlings of German a/c photographed in their thousands in black and white during the war, and the contrast with the battleship's overall grey is evident. Conversely, there would be no evidence of the yellow on Bismarck's wreck after so many years because the paint was temporary water soluble and designed to be relatively easy to was away.

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Meu amigo,

 

Eu iria de amarelo tb.

 

De qualquer maneira, a minha intenção é montar o que tenho aqui (Trumpeter 1/700) na pintura usada quando da escala na Noruega, em Grimstadfjord, pois é uma opção bem documentada.

 

 

Quanto às torres vermelhas, até pouco tempo atrás eu dava como certo que haviam sido utilizadas no Báltico, mas parece que isso agora tb não é certo. Mais combustível para grandes discussões!

 

Originally Posted by paulors:

Meu amigo,

 

Eu iria de amarelo tb.

 

De qualquer maneira, a minha intenção é montar o que tenho aqui (Trumpeter 1/700) na pintura usada quando da escala na Noruega, em Grimstadfjord, pois é uma opção bem documentada.

 

 

Quanto às torres vermelhas, até pouco tempo atrás eu dava como certo que haviam sido utilizadas no Báltico, mas parece que isso agora tb não é certo. Mais combustível para grandes discussões!

 

bonito este...torres cinza sem suastica...

acho que nao o faria por nao ter as suasticas no deck..

tenho um dragon 1/700,mas dizem que o trumpeter e melhor...

 

tenho um dragon 1/700,mas dizem que o trumpeter e melhor

 

Acho que não meu amigo. Tanto o Dragon como o Trumpeter, que é original Pitroad/Skywave, são excelentes kits. É questão de jogar os dois para o alto e pegar um deles. As diferenças são em detalhes e a coisa fica mais ao gosto de cada um. Existem acessórios para ambos - PEs, canos de metal, decks de madeira e tudo mais.

 

O Dragon teve duas versões - a original e a Premium, que trouxe uma nova folha de PEs. A versão original tinha algumas peças em vinil, como a chaminé, coisa que muita gente não gostou. Na premium elas vieram injetadas como as demais. Aqui vc tem reviews dos dois.

 

Original Dragon:

 

http://www.modelwarships.com/r...dragon/dra700bis.htm

 

Premium Dragon:

 

http://www.modelwarships.com/r...r/dragon-review.html

 

 

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