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Bem, o Mura é bem perto do Tamiya no preço, só vale pra quem gosta de mostrar as tripas do avião...  Entre os dois eu ainda pegaria o Tamiya, eu citei o Trumpeter e o Dragon pela diferença grande de preço.

Originally Posted by Kina:

Entre o dois, melhor o Dragon.

 

Abs Kina.

Concordo!!!

Me parece que o único problema do Dragon são algumas linhas de painel exageradas (muito fundas - se você fazer a versão com verde por cima o efeito exagerado destas linhas de painel muito fundas fica minimizado...), no mais ele está corretíssimo nas dimensões e monta muito bem pelo que li por aí. Li também que o da Trumpeter possui o "cowling" afinado demais (estou procurando o link para postar aqui!!).

Boa Sorte!!

André

 

Achei este texto muito interessante do Mr. Scott Borden  sobre o Mustang Trumpeter, no fórum da Large Scale Planes:

 

Allok - I posted the following on ARC. I clipped / taped / fitted the clear parts, canopy frame, and spinner together to assess the kit shape / accuracy... 

...Let me qualify my input by stating that from 1971 to 1977 I serviced/maintained several mustangs in the U.S. and helped Darrell Skurich restore Jimmy Leeward's No. 9, "Cloud Dancer". I also helped restore David Price's "Cottonmouth". Needless to say I am picky about P-51 accuracy...

I purchased the Trumpeter P-51D and wish that I hadn't spent the money. While I agree to a certain extent that one could apply modeling skills to achieve greater accuracy, it just seems to me that, for this kind of money, and with the existence of the 1/48 Tamiya and Hasegawa models for guidance (or, I dare say, to copy in 1/32 scale), I should be able to buy a highly accurate 1/32 P-51D in the year 2008.

  • The windscreen and canopy are about 75%-accurate representations. They are oversize. The separate canopy frame isn't deep enough. The windscreen is so large that the fuselage section between the front of the windscreen and the back of the engine compartment isn't long enough to display the hydraulic reservoir access panel. Note: The access panel appears on the Trumpeter P-51B.
  • The instrument panel hood is round. On every mustang from the A-model through the D/K-model the sides and top of the instrument panel hood are flat and the corners are rounded. Note: Inaccuracy duplicated from the Trumpeter P-51B.
  • Indeed, the spinner is short. Further, four rather strange-looking reinforcing panels (like flower petals) are molded on the spinner backplate.
  • Most of the cowling on the real P-51D is attached with widely-spaced dzus fasteners. The dzus fasteners on the Trumpeter P-51D are numerous and closely-spaced. Strangely, the Trumpeter P-51B is more accurate.
  • The fuselage below and aft of the spinner should be slightly "pinched" to smoothly fair the cowling with the carburetor air intake. On the Trumpeter P-51D, the fuselage "pinch" is noticeably exaggerated. And, yes, the carburetor air intake is undersize.
  • The corners of the access panels on the real P-51D (and the corners of the cutout skin that surrounds them) are rounded. Not so, on the Trumpeter P-51D.
  • There is no hand hold on the right side of any P-51.
  • The wing-to-fuselage fairings do not fit flush with the surrounding skin on the real P-51D. Not according to Trumpeter.
  • The elevators are covered in simulated fabric.

Ok, so, at that point I stopped clipping / taping / fitting clear parts, just in case I want to try to sell this thing or give it away. Before I stowed the parts and closed the box top I compared the Trumpeter parts with the same Hasegawa P-51D parts.

  • The Hasegawa windscreen and canopy will fit, but they are slightly wider than the Trumpeter fuselage. You'd have to heat/fit the windscreen, have to add plastic to the fuselage to fill the gap between the windscreen and the back of the engine compartment, and have to sand / fit / fill / repeat the top of the fuselage flat to fit the Hasegawa canopy frame (assuming you want the option to close the canopy...).
  • You could use the Hasegawa spinner.
  • I held one half of the Trumpeter fuselage together with the opposite half of the Hasegawa fuselage. The fuselage contours are very, very close; in fact, the nose of the Trumpeter fuselage is ever so slightly longer.

So, if you are not picky, could you build a representation of a P-51D, something along the order of a 1/48 ARII vs. 1/48 Tamiya? Yes, but for $80-100?

I have the Dragon P-51D. I hate to state it, but, it is more externally accurate than the Trumpeter kit (except for the exaggerated surface detail, of course). And you'll have to install an aftermarket cockpit kit, True Detail wheels, and maybe try to use the Hasegawa prop blades...

If I knew what I know now, I would let my money earn a little more measly interest in my account and wait for (I hope the rumor under discussion on LSP is true) the Tamiyagawa P-51D. If I absolutely just had to build a P-51D this year, I'd either aftermarket the Dragon or rescribe/aftermarket the Hasegawa.

Scott 

Originally Posted by Rogerio77:

Achei este texto muito interessante do Mr. Scott Borden  sobre o Mustang Trumpeter, no fórum da Large Scale Planes:

 

Allok - I posted the following on ARC. I clipped / taped / fitted the clear parts, canopy frame, and spinner together to assess the kit shape / accuracy... 

...Let me qualify my input by stating that from 1971 to 1977 I serviced/maintained several mustangs in the U.S. and helped Darrell Skurich restore Jimmy Leeward's No. 9, "Cloud Dancer". I also helped restore David Price's "Cottonmouth". Needless to say I am picky about P-51 accuracy...

I purchased the Trumpeter P-51D and wish that I hadn't spent the money. While I agree to a certain extent that one could apply modeling skills to achieve greater accuracy, it just seems to me that, for this kind of money, and with the existence of the 1/48 Tamiya and Hasegawa models for guidance (or, I dare say, to copy in 1/32 scale), I should be able to buy a highly accurate 1/32 P-51D in the year 2008.

  • The windscreen and canopy are about 75%-accurate representations. They are oversize. The separate canopy frame isn't deep enough. The windscreen is so large that the fuselage section between the front of the windscreen and the back of the engine compartment isn't long enough to display the hydraulic reservoir access panel. Note: The access panel appears on the Trumpeter P-51B.
  • The instrument panel hood is round. On every mustang from the A-model through the D/K-model the sides and top of the instrument panel hood are flat and the corners are rounded. Note: Inaccuracy duplicated from the Trumpeter P-51B.
  • Indeed, the spinner is short. Further, four rather strange-looking reinforcing panels (like flower petals) are molded on the spinner backplate.
  • Most of the cowling on the real P-51D is attached with widely-spaced dzus fasteners. The dzus fasteners on the Trumpeter P-51D are numerous and closely-spaced. Strangely, the Trumpeter P-51B is more accurate.
  • The fuselage below and aft of the spinner should be slightly "pinched" to smoothly fair the cowling with the carburetor air intake. On the Trumpeter P-51D, the fuselage "pinch" is noticeably exaggerated. And, yes, the carburetor air intake is undersize.
  • The corners of the access panels on the real P-51D (and the corners of the cutout skin that surrounds them) are rounded. Not so, on the Trumpeter P-51D.
  • There is no hand hold on the right side of any P-51.
  • The wing-to-fuselage fairings do not fit flush with the surrounding skin on the real P-51D. Not according to Trumpeter.
  • The elevators are covered in simulated fabric.

Ok, so, at that point I stopped clipping / taping / fitting clear parts, just in case I want to try to sell this thing or give it away. Before I stowed the parts and closed the box top I compared the Trumpeter parts with the same Hasegawa P-51D parts.

  • The Hasegawa windscreen and canopy will fit, but they are slightly wider than the Trumpeter fuselage. You'd have to heat/fit the windscreen, have to add plastic to the fuselage to fill the gap between the windscreen and the back of the engine compartment, and have to sand / fit / fill / repeat the top of the fuselage flat to fit the Hasegawa canopy frame (assuming you want the option to close the canopy...).
  • You could use the Hasegawa spinner.
  • I held one half of the Trumpeter fuselage together with the opposite half of the Hasegawa fuselage. The fuselage contours are very, very close; in fact, the nose of the Trumpeter fuselage is ever so slightly longer.

So, if you are not picky, could you build a representation of a P-51D, something along the order of a 1/48 ARII vs. 1/48 Tamiya? Yes, but for $80-100?

I have the Dragon P-51D. I hate to state it, but, it is more externally accurate than the Trumpeter kit (except for the exaggerated surface detail, of course). And you'll have to install an aftermarket cockpit kit, True Detail wheels, and maybe try to use the Hasegawa prop blades...

If I knew what I know now, I would let my money earn a little more measly interest in my account and wait for (I hope the rumor under discussion on LSP is true) the Tamiyagawa P-51D. If I absolutely just had to build a P-51D this year, I'd either aftermarket the Dragon or rescribe/aftermarket the Hasegawa.

Scott 

 

O kit da Hasegawa parece estar correto em suas formas, mas é uma forma antiga com poucas linhas em baixo relevo, a maioria em alto.  Porão de rodas liso e raso, e um nível de detalhe que denuncia a idade do molde.

 

Zoukei-Mura é uma marca japonesa que faz os kits com todo o detalhamento interno dos aviões e o modelista pode montar o kit como se fosse um esqueleto.  ótimo pra quem quer fazer dioramas de aviões em manutenção, mas é um detalhamento enorme que reflete no preço dos kits.  Veja:

 

 

http://www.zoukeimura.co.jp/

Last edited by Felipe C. Miranda
Originally Posted by Felipe C. Miranda:

O kit da Hasegawa parece estar correto em suas formas, mas é uma forma antiga com poucas linhas em baixo relevo, a maioria em alto.  Porão de rodas liso e raso, e um nível de detalhe que denuncia a idade do molde.

 

Zoukei-Mura é uma marca japonesa que faz os kits com todo o detalhamento interno dos aviões e o modelista pode montar o kit como se fosse um esqueleto.  ótimo pra quem quer fazer dioramas de aviões em manutenção, mas é um detalhamento enorme que reflete no preço dos kits.  Veja:

 

 

http://www.zoukeimura.co.jp/

Felipe,

 

em que loja confiável, lá fora é claro, que acho estes kits para vender ? 

Giordano,

 

Estive sem mexer em nada dele até agora.  Semana passada eu recebi a plotter de corte que comprei pra fazer as mascaras aqui mesmo sem depender do serviço do birô onde eu fazia anteriormente.  Só que ainda nem tive tempo de testar o aparelho...  Assim que eu acertar esses ponteiros eu apronto a coisa e te aviso.

 

RMG, os kits da Zoukei-Mura voce encontra em praticamente todas as lojas já consagradas:  Sprue Brothers, Luckymodel, Hannant's, etc...

Last edited by Felipe C. Miranda

Fala Felipe!

Esta é uma ótima foto que, além de colorida, permite um visual comparativo bem legal sobre as formas do potro.

http://www.boeing.com/history/...ts/p-51-mustang.page

Melhor planta do P-51D é a do A. Bentley que apareceu na antiga Scale Models, milenios mais real que as do Detail & Scale. Se encontrar te mando.

Kit? Dragon.

 

Abc

João

 

Legal João, só que pra comparar com plantas eu tenho que ter o modelo na mão, pra isso eu teria que comprar, e a dúvida é justamente quanto a qual comprar...  Deixo isso para os reviewers, que geralmente ganham os kits de graça pra avaliar.

Depois do dinheiro gasto e o kit na mão, eu não faço comparações com plantas e nem procuro saber de possiveis erros justamente pra evitar frustrações...   Só faço isso até a hora de pagar, depois, não mais.  isso só faz mal ao modelista 

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